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- From: "Mr. Pink" <smh2@aber.ac.uk>
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
- Subject: Re: Why are europeans dumb enough to buy amigas?
- Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:50:19 +0000
- Organization: UWA Aberystwyth
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- Kjell Gudim wrote:
- >
- > misc335 wrote this in comp.sys.amiga.graphics:
- >
- > >> : really suck with a few exceptions. They are still trying to come up
- > >> : with a decent DOOM clone, while that game is old news to PC's. In
- > >>
- > >> If you want to play games, get a Playstation. It makes P6 166MHz systems
- > >> look sad and it only costs 290UKP.
- > >No, the playstation certainly has the edge pricewise, but a p6 is quite a bit
- > >better at graphics, (though to be fair, their are very few _games_ which
- > >currantly take advantage of the power.) Anyway, this is irrelevant, as well
- > >as consoles being limited to only games, the problem is that they only shine
- > >for a few months and then you're stuck with a dated system.
- >
- > Uhm, excuse me, but are you saying that that is *not* the case for the PC?
- >
- > A little while ago my father bought a Pentium 60 and was told that this
- > was an awesome machine... Now the machine is about as awesome as my 6 speed bike
- > :)
- >
-
-
- Heh! Precisely. This can be linked to the Amiga (hello mr Amiga hating type person
- ;).... How many models of PC came and went in the lifetime of the 500 (which we happen
- to have two of which at home, aswell as my 4k....)
-
- As for the argument of the Amiga being a heap of @#*^, especially when it comes to DOOM
- clones etc etc, lets just ask ourselves a few questions.
-
- Where did other games classics such as Lemmings, Populous etc Originate?
-
- The amiga wasn't it? Well **** me sideways, so it was... and the PC conversions just
- couldnt do the gfx and sfx justice even then. (We won't mention the megadrive versions
- - wot no mouse????!!! ;)
-
-
- On a more serious level, lets go back a few years (bizarre Waynes world swirly effect
- thing....)
-
- Its 1987, in the UK.
- Me: Excuse me, how much is a PC these days?
- PC Salesman: 386pc's are going for about 8-900 each, 4mb ram, 300 ish HD at best.
- Me: But the A500, .5 mb ram, no HD is about 500. Hmmm, PC seems much better option.
- Hold on tho, does the PC include a full WIMP OS?
- PCS: Ahh, you mean Win3.0. Yes, thats 70 pounds please.
- Me: Oh. Doesnt Workbench come free with the Amiga?
- PCS: Erm... yes.
- Me: Well, does Win3.0 multitask?
- PCS: Erm, no.
- Me: Does workbench?
- PCS: Erm, yes.
- Me: What about sound. Does my 386 include a SoundCard / Chip?
- PCS: No, Sorry.
- Me: The Amigas custom architecture does, doesn't it?
- PCS: Yes.
- (well, you get the idea....)
-
- Now, in that little 'conversation', I mentioned that dirty word to PC owners -
- multitasking. Could I just take this opportunity to congratulate them on the arrival of
- Win 95. (Ignoring OS2 - it just doesnt seem to have been given the support it
- deserved)......
-
- "Windows 95 will make it possible for you to do what you do faster, and more fun" It
- says (or something like it) at the start of the installation. More fun? Please! ....
- Can you imagine sitting at work with your boss behind you as you explain the Pros of
- Win 95 - "its plug and play, making things more fun, and games are quicker too...."
- He's sure to be impressed. Anyway, back to the point.
-
- Windows 95 multitasks. Sort of. It timeslices in much the same way as the Amiga has for
- the past 8 years or so.
-
- Win 95 system requirements: at least a 486sx 33 (?) (DX2 66+ recommended), with 4mb ram
- (8mb+ recommended), and 50mbHD space (?).
- Amiga workbench requirements: An amiga.
-
- So, you buy your 486sx33 4mb PC for about the same price as an A1200. Your A1200 is all
- set to go, Everything is on its (admittedly small) HD. Your PC sits their waiting for
- you to go out and buy Win 95. Another 80 quid or so. Yay, we are multitasking. Not as
- quickly as the A1200 tho. Oh well, lets buy some more RAM. Apparently that makes it
- faster. Cool, another 100 quid spent. Things have improved, but not by much. Lets see
- what we can do. A new processsor you say? Ooooh, lets go pentium. P60 good enough?
- yeah! .......
-
- Oh the subject of Win 95, a couple of points. Plug and Play. HAven't amigas had
- basically the same thing for years?
-
- Take the example:
- I put a second HD in my machine. Plug in, switch on. Machine sits there. For a whole 5
- seconds. Boots, and I go to partition the new drive, at which point it tells me 'drives
- have been added / removed from the system' etc. Ok, so it wasnt sure if something had
- been added or removed.
- Win 95's plug and play requires that you specifically specify the new device, or let
- it spend 20 mins or so looking for it (which a m8 of mine did.... it couldnt find his
- new HD......)
-
- And on multitasking again, a trivial point for all you 95 users... When you boot your
- machine next, watch carefully. Remember the 3 'states' of mouse pointer: Totally free
- to work, Partially Busy, and 'Leave me alone, Im working my ass off' Does it amuse you
- at all that while it is booting, it is totally free to work, until anything useful like
- the start button appears, at which point it switches to totally busy? :)
-
- I think by now my point is clear. The PC is a better machine than the Amiga.
- I have no doubt about it, despite being proud of my A4K 030. Its just a shame that
- PC owners a) refuse to admit that what 95 does, the Amiga has done for years, a whole
- lot better, at a fraction of the requirements / cost. b) Ok DOOM was, and still is
- bloody brilliant (despite me being crap at it!). Part of DOOM's success was it being
- released as PD. People love saving money dont ya know.
-
- When it comes to serious software, the PC leaves the Amiga crying in a corner. The
- Amiga doesnt know what to do. Reason? The PC is a business / home machine, that Amiga
- just a home machine. Amiga owning families are not prepared to fork out several hundred
- pounds for a single database. For several hundred pounds Amiga owners get no end of
- packages. Ok, they arent as good, but they do their job. Very few Amiga titles cost
- over 100 pounds. Very few PC titles cost less than 100 pounds! (Not talking games here)
-
- The Amiga CD ROM scene is still quite new. Their is no argument to be made here - we
- will just have to see if it gets the support it deserves / needs. All I'll say on that
- little matter is that on the off chance that there is some rep of an Amiga softy house
- out there - remember, its not just CD32 owners that can play games on CD now...
-
- There. On that note, I'll finish, before I stray from the point even more. But Kjell
- Gudim is right. PC technology moves on sooooo fast. My M8s P60 is out of date now too -
- before the warranty has even expired! But my A4000/030 is still keeping up, despite
- being almost 3 years old.
-
-
- Bye for now
-
-
- Pink
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